Lloyd is literally just sitting there monitoring the livechat so he can alert the mods. He's responding to all positive comments. Still 3 hours to go. Lloyd this is pathetic.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Hi Tibor! When are you getting your hair dyed blonde?
LOL, it's 4 hours away from the show and he's already present in the chat making sure the mods are going to delete any non-positive questions. Blaming "the forum"
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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I do see the wrinkles and bags under his eyes he was going on about, plus the grey on the side of his head. He's going to be the old guy at the club trying to fit in by adding a piercing or neck tattoo.
"Great ink Lloyd, but what does 1929 and 607 mean?"
Jabba the Hutt is rebranding. Despite the begging stunt last month, he's fairly static at 416 Patrons with another drop due in a few days. So instead of new content to replace the old and repetitive, he'll change his appearance for a fresh look and hope he becomes the centre of attention again. If not, then this look might be next:
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I wonder if he even has any plans for life in 10 or 20 years time?
He’s been hinting at an eventual retirement so much the past few years and he’s probably
thinkingdreaming of an early one in his mid to late 50s. He even told Andrew Gold of his dream of living on an island, going fishing on his boat and writing books like he’s Ernest Hemingway or something.He has two books planned but I think it’s a horrible idea, especially after all that’s happened. One book will probably be about the “defamation” and the “JW Mindset” he’s been singing about lately. By the time anyone reaches the end, a critical thinker will realise that he’s only talking about his own mindset. The other one is an update to TRA that’s essentially self-fellatio about going on the Leah Remini show and other perceived achievements. “Lloyd Evans” is just not a marketable quantity anymore and anything he releases is going to make no more than a quarter of what TRA did, if that. Probably more like a 5th or 6th of that. There really isn’t a whole lot of support beyond the 400+ patrons. 400x$20 per copy minus whatever Amazon takes for actually printing it isn’t much compensation for all those hours of writing. I think that’s a good measure of his remaining supporters as he’s already circled his wagons several times and whoever supports him is among that number already.
What I see is a retirement announcement in 10-15 years assuming he still has at least the support he has today, and there will be a retirement livestream that will go on as long as superchats keep flowing. He’ll attempt to “sell” the Lloyd Evans Channel by pulling in all revenue and pay whoever takes it over a percentage. He’ll also keep his Patreon open and call it his “pension fund”. He desires some sort of “activist emeritus” position where he’s active on social media and will provide commentary at times. But it’s all dependent upon people knowing and caring about him over a decade from now.
Most people his age have already purchased a home and have stable careers that will be able the pay off the home in 15-20 years time. That is the foundation of retirement, as well as a 401K/SIPP plus the pension your company dishes out after decades of loyal service. He has none of these and whatever he has left of his grift is essentially his retirement.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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If Neil Young were like Lloyd Evans, he’d write a song after David Crosby’s death about how he never paid him back for $1000 loaned to him in 1971.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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If he stays in Croatia what future has he got?
A better question would be “if he returns to the UK what future has he got?”. Lloyd holds UK and Croatian citizenship so he can establish legal residency in only those two countries.
On FB he said he pays $450 (£374) per month for a simple 1 bedroom flat in the centre of Zagreb, Croatia’s largest city and capital. Instead of trying to look it up myself, it’s probably better to ask the UK posters here, so I will:
What does £374 per month get you in terms of rent get you in the UK? Ignore London, I know that is expensive. Manchester? Birmingham? Glasgow? Liverpool? The Scottish Highlands? Orkney Islands?
I’m going to say that at his current rate of grift, Lloyd can’t afford to move back to the UK. He’s nobody there. He’s stuck in Croatia, and more importantly, stuck doing exJW activism and videos for donations. He cannot walk into an office in Manchester, go on about how he made YT videos for the past decade and expect to receive an offer of employment that does not involve cleaning toilets.
Even at the previous levels of grift ($5k to $6k per month take home pay), in Croatia he could have bought a nice home on the coast which he almost did.
Being close to Dijana is crucial at this stage.
If he left for a life in the UK he could barely afford and is contingent on his patrons not dropping no further than 400, he would not be able to support her. With two children in an impoverished section of a country that has a high unemployment rate, it would leave her in abject poverty with little hope of getting out. Anything would be on the table for her: a new sugar daddy husband, going back to the KH, or trying her own hand in exJW activism. She’d attract viewers and donators. Even with 100 patrons it would pay the bills for her in Gornje Komarevo. This is something he’d be keen to avoid, and especially if he cut her off, she’d have nothing to lose giving the details of disastrous 15 year marriage to Jabba the Hutt. (That would also make for a great book).
Apart from Giselle Bunchen deciding she wants some of that Evans ass and asking him to move in to her Miami mansion, he’s staying in Croatia.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Yesterday I attended a Kingdom Hall meeting for the first time since 2019. I had hoped to blend in as much as possible, but things didn’t quite go as planned.
Unless this is an English speaking congregation, I can’t see how he had hoped to have blended in effectively. I also don’t see the point of this video other than the novelty act of a clean shaven Lloyd Evans posing as a JW in a Kingdom Hall. Sounds like a stunt to get views.
For all of Tibor’s and that latest guest’s talk about having a JW Mindset, he really needs to take his own advice. He’s posing as a JW and entering a KH ffs.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Has there been any effort to reach out to any elders who were there recently? I know there was some mystery poster claiming to have insider info but it felt a bit sketchy.
pr0ner - He’s not really that much of a mystery. Kim Silvio can confirm that she met him and that he’s in Wilmslow. I’d tell you his name and paste the tweets but I am not sure how comfortable he is with his real name being posted here. Lloyd also tweeted about him using his real name and saying that they both went to the Wilmslow KH. I believe he was one of the 12 who received warning letters from Lloyd.
If he had the real name of “Geoffrey” that would be a start.
FYI - In a footnote in TRA, Lloyd said that Geoffrey was removed as an elder in 2014. So maybe he’s out.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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I want to know why he made no mention of Dijana going before the Wilmslow JC to give testimony. After all, she was the one who found the sext that set this all into motion, right?
In a series of disciplinary meetings before a “judicial committee” comprised of three elders I was asked to go into extremely intimate detail regarding the nature of my online encounters, what precisely these involved, with whom and how often. These hearings were extremely emotional. I recall breaking down in tears on at least one occasion. At the time I did not feel the nature of questioning was overly invasive or inappropriate. I believed I was receiving needed discipline from God’s organization, and I simply had to man up and see it through for the benefit of my marriage. Of course, I now cringe at the thought of sharing such personal matters with men who had no more right to this information than my local postman or storekeeper, but at the time I was convinced it was necessary.
Uhm, who would also have information related to the nature of these online encounters. The person who discovered it? That's the whole intent of a JC, especially when there are two witnesses. Question them separately and find out if there are any details that don't mesh. Her testimony is a HUGE detail he's leaving out of the Wilmslow JC. He met them 3 times. How many did she go to?
Lloyd's always so quick to bring his wife into everything and use her as a shield. When the JC happened in Sisak, he spared no detail in saying how upset his wife was and how she refused to have any contact with the elders. This had been his MO on this forum as well. "This is upsetting my wife! You must stop- criticising my article about Candace Conti winning the deed to Patterson. You owe me and my wife an apology!" After the livestream it was all about how it upset her and always you are attacking "us", "we", "our family".
Yet here is the star witness whose testimony is at the very crux of his sexting scandal at the Wilmslow JC, and not one word about her going to give testimony and how upset she was about going into personal matters. He did manage to relate how emotional it all was and how he was in tears. Hmmm, I think that would also drive Dijana to tears, probably even more so as she thought her husband wasn't attracted to her (his words). They would have quizzed her on their sex life, what the sext said, if she found any others (she did), if she found out who this other person was, and other very probing questions.
If he had his way, they would have gone straight to Croatia. This was her idea, wasn't it?
Dijana made it clear that she wanted the intervention of the elders, no matter the outcome. After all, this was not a one-off incident. Dijana had caught me in a similar situation only a few months after we were married, and previous attempts at sorting out my issues had clearly failed.
Well Lloyd, you told us everything else. Why does her involvement mysteriously end here, and you are the one facing the elders alone? Forgot to put that part in?
Or was forum poster Raymond Frantz correct in saying there was no Wilmslow JC, only a Bramhall one where you were removed as an elder. If Dijana had been trying to get back to Croatia to help her ailing parents, then she chose the path that would have likely placed the most obstacles in front of them both. This makes more sense if he had already been removed as an elder and privileges taken away. Of course she could have been a die-hard JW and wanted to go by the book, but Lloyd seems to always get what he wants when it concerns them.
I have no clue what Geoffrey is like. But I have no doubt that he is protrayed in TRA in the worst possible light.
I feel that the story of Geoffrey and his list of grievances against him was to put forth a particular narrative of oppression and to play the mythical "good elder". Also, it was a handy way to explain this subsequent passage after Dijana found the sext:
Dijana agreed that Geoffrey was the last person to involve in fixing our problems.
Well Dijana agreed with him that Geoffrey was a "bad elder", so you see, this is why we had to leave Bramhall so quickly and make preparations for Croatia!
It's like reading the Hebrew Scriptures. There are sensational stories about Moses parting the Red Sea and Noah and his ark. If you assume these are real figures in history, you need to filter the bullshit out. Therefore: Moses and Aaron led a Hebrew slave revolt and many people died. allegorically accounted for by the Golden Calf and Korah/Dathan massacres. Evans is the same way. Filter the bullshit out, and you'll find only a half-completed story with glaring omissions that manages to raise many more questions than what he had originally intended.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Sometimes though I think just as simple theories are plausible as well given his nature.
This is why I read the relevant passages in TRA to see where his mind was and how he interpreted it. Lloyd is a difficult and confrontational person, so I can see Geoffrey taking an instant dislike to him when he showed up with a Bible on his doorstep. It probably was a lot more confrontational than that and him piously counseling him through scripture only made things worse. Not a whole lot of elders would have taken kindly to that kind of intervention.
Still - I don’t see how that alone would be a reason for Geoffrey to take this to Bethel and furthermore, have them actually adjudicate. There had to be something else he was sure he’d nail Lloyd on, and per Lloyd’s own account, he did. And also per Lloyd’s account, this was shortly before Dijana caught him sexting. So it had nothing to do with that particular account he related in his book.
The problem with taking all of this at face value is the fact that Lloyd is a known liar who will always paint a rosier picture than reality to make himself seem to be the innocent party.
I was a JW long enough to know that you don’t get to sin in one congregation, hold onto the info just long enough to transfer to a new congregation, and then confess. Shady action like that is enough for them to conclude you aren’t really repentant and are looking to escape punishment. Chances are they make you go back to the nearby congregation you just fled to face a JC.
Did his father’s influence get him a Wilmslow JC? Maybe. But it’s risky and would put his father right in the crosshairs of Geoffrey, who had already had Bethel rule in his favour against Lloyd. Or maybe the only JC was in Bramhall and him writing about how he had to flee to Wilmslow to get a fair hearing was to hammer home the fact that he felt he was being unfairly hounded by elders.
It’s certainly plausible that second JC never happened. There’s just so many holes in this story and when you plug in WT policy, much of it simply doesn’t mesh.